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Help with Latin
Hi,
I've made Latin translations of newly created images of accessory bones of the foot, since they were mostly Latin anyway:
However, I'm not sure about the grammar for the sesamoid bones. I appreciate a look at those.
Mikael Häggström (talk) 13:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- http://www.ontobee.org/ is a good website to get names of various anatomical entities. ChristianKl (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice, but I didn't find the entities there. The structures are the sesamoids at the metatarsophalangeal joints, as plural, and the sesamoid at the interphalangeal joint of the great toe. Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken "sesamoideum" is the adjective of a masculin singular noun, while "os" or "ossa" is feminine -- so that one looks a little off. My latin is getting rusty, I can see if I have my old study papers lying around somewhere. Carl Fredrik talk 00:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, Carl Fredrik
- If I'm not mistaken "sesamoideum" is the adjective of a masculin singular noun, while "os" or "ossa" is feminine -- so that one looks a little off. My latin is getting rusty, I can see if I have my old study papers lying around somewhere. Carl Fredrik talk 00:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice, but I didn't find the entities there. The structures are the sesamoids at the metatarsophalangeal joints, as plural, and the sesamoid at the interphalangeal joint of the great toe. Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- . Let me know if you find what it's supposed to be, and I can make the change in the image. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Things seem to pan out for the most part. There are some minor issues, but when I checked these exist in the literature as well. I might dig more later, but it is soo complicated, when the declensions of nouns isn't readily available and even disputed. Carl Fredrik talk 13:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Endocrine system
Oh boy, what a mess
- Endocrine system
- Endocrine gland
- List of human endocrine organs and actions
- List of glands of the human body
Going to need some work... --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- Tom, what are you citing as the problem? Disorganization? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- The articles aren't clear and are missing huge chucks of important information. Links between articles are poorly arranged. There doesn't seem to be (in my mind) a clear and easy to use overall template for this important system.
- Have tried to provide some cross-links and am still thinking about the template. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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Quick survey
Exactly how many photos of pubic hair are needed? If an image is lacking pubic hair, is that relevant? You usually don't illustrate a part of a person's anatomy by showing its absence. Also I am blaming implicit bias here but there is one photo of a man's pubic hair and five photos of a woman's pubic hair. Their are no images of axillary hair. There are five images of no pubic hair.
Facial hair contains no images of the absence of facial hair. Eyebrows contains no images of the absence of eyebrows. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 16:05, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- Agree it may be useful to have an image without hair in relevant articles at some point in the article's body. Yes I do find reproductive and genitalia related articles tend to be a bit image heavy. Flyer22 may have something to contribute here. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- The ping didn't work (doesn't work with old usernames), and I usually don't focus on the Pubic hair article (although I watch it), but I'll go ahead and comment: Yes, the article currently has more images of female pubic hair, but these images are in the Removal and Styling sections. The literature clearly shows that it's mainly women who worry about removing and styling pubic hair. Barbara (WVS) should consult the article's talk page about removing some of the images. Grayfell, who watches the article, would be willing to listen to her concerns. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- To compare pubic hair with eyebrow hair - is then appropriate for consistency's sake to encourage the same treatment of other body hair? There probably even more ways to shave one's eyebrows, stylistically design your eyebrows, pierce your eyebrows, bleach your eyebrows, color your eyebrows, pluck your eyebrows, eyebrows in art, genetically different eyebrows and so on. Why pubic hair? I believe pubic hair is written, and illustrated inconsistently compared to other body parts. That's okay, I'm not hanging my hat on this. To bring in an editor who 'watches' or wrote the article to begin with, especially if we already know what their view on this might be, is not completely valid since all editors like to think that how they wrote and edited article is reasonable, fair, fine and not in need of review. Those of us who add content also do so in good faith. I don't add content that isn't supported and neither does Grayfell, I am sure of it. Adding content is done in good faith - I believe this. I am suggesting that female pubic hair is over-represented in the article. I'm will to create an article on pubic hair modification...
- Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 18:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Barbara (WVS), I mentioned the article's talk page and Grayfell because the article's talk page is the main place you should be stating your concerns about the number of images in that article. Unless, of course, you expect this WikiProject to enforce a "limited number of images" rule on the article and similar articles and believe that those directly involved with the article should have no say. Grayfell is just one watcher of the article. Not all watchers are actively involved in editing whatever article they are watching, obviously. Again, I watch that article and am not heavily involved with it. Many watchers of an article do know what is best for an article since they are likely to be more familiar with the literature and/or past disputes, including what matters have consensus. Many watchers of articles are open to feedback and have indeed sought feedback on article matters. Not everyone who adds content does so in good faith. Otherwise, we wouldn't have so many problematic editors. But many of us who do add content in good faith are aware that some article watchers probably know better than we do and that it is likely best to consult the talk page first. We know that some matters have already been thoroughly worked out with a number of editors and don't automatically think that our edits are going to be improvements. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, such as the ones you made above, can be valid or invalid. If someone would take the time to significantly develop the Facial hair article, we would likely see more facial hair images there. It may also be that eyebrow styling is not as popular as pubic hair styling, even though women in particular pay close attention to the shape of their eyebrows (meaning keeping them trimmed and crafted in a certain way). As for a Pubic hair modification article, why is your solution to create a separate article? How is it needed at all? I know that you are fond of creating articles, but, per WP:No page, WP:Spinout and WP:No split, separate articles should only be created when needed, not simply to break off unwanted content. The Pubic hair article is not big and we have the Bikini waxing article that is specifically for waxing pubic chair. You creating a Pubic hair modification article is not going to stop those who may want to retain the images that you want removed from retaining the images. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- I sense we agree more than we disagree in this case. Creating a separate article would provide the opportunity to create a gallery of images related to the topic - and create the opportunity to cover the topic more thoroughly and even include even more images of pubic hair styling than exists now. I'm 100% sure that more information exists 'out there' to support a new article. In this case, discussing the various styles, techniques, the 'whys', the 'who' would provide even more information for a reader than we have now. Didn't we do the same with Nipple piercing? It has its own article that is separate from the anatomical article Nipple, with the former having absolutely no need to adhere to MEDRS. I have 'solved' many discussions, sometimes over the course of years by generating an article from the original article and have always at least doubled the references supporting the new article that did not cover the topic before. To include more references for this section on 'styles' would give a section undue weight while separate of an anatomical structure page each section the new article on styles could even have a section for each style! I'll bet we missed some of styles that are out now. A section discussing the practice throughout the world would be fasinating. I am fond of creating new articles and I am good at it. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 15:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Barbara (WVS), I will state that I understand where you are coming from. But I don't see that we agree in this case. You stated, "Creating a separate article would provide the opportunity to create a gallery of images related to the topic - and create the opportunity to cover the topic more thoroughly and even include even more images of pubic hair styling than exists now." Look at the Pubic hair article again. It is relatively small, and already has spin-off articles. We don't create separate articles simply or mainly for gallery use. In fact, per WP:Gallery, we should be cautious of creating galleries in articles. Gallery use is something that has become a problem at the Blond article. Anatomy and art articles will naturally have galleries at times, but they should not go overboard with them either. Have you taken the time to read WP:No page, WP:Spinout and WP:No split? I ask because, even though I've pointed you to them more than once, and despite what I and others state about not unnecessarily creating separate articles, you continue to create separate articles when unnecessary. Yes, you create separate articles when needed as well, but you more often than not create unnecessary separate articles. This includes you doing so without checking to see if the topic has enough material to flourish as an article, which is why you have created a number of stubs, or articles of otherwise relatively small size, that are unlikely to be expanded much beyond a stub. WP:Stubs are not ideal. Enough material for a stub does not mean that a stub should be created. As shown at WP:Med, WP:Med merges a lot of articles and some of your articles have been merged. Click on the "As shown" link where you acknowledge that you "turn four sentences into a brand new article," and that some of your articles have been merged. WP:Anatomy commonly merges as well. We recently had a similar discussion at Talk:Sex characteristics (legal term). You never seem to think that merging is best, or it's rather that you rarely think it's best, and you seem to take offense to your articles being merged. Well, it is often the case that merging is what is best for an article. After all, why have our readers leave a page to go to another page to find out more information when they don't need to? Our readers typically like finding out about a topic on one page, which is why too many blue links can overwhelm them and cause them not to click on any of the blue links. This is one reason that WP:Overlinking is cautioned against. As for MEDRS, both the Nipple and and Nipple piercing articles should adhere to WP:MEDRS. Sources used at both articles should be the type of sources that WP:MEDRS talks about, although, with regard to WP:MEDDATE, we do not have to worry about very up to date sources for anatomy. This is because knowledge of anatomy is mostly the same as it was years ago.
- I sense we agree more than we disagree in this case. Creating a separate article would provide the opportunity to create a gallery of images related to the topic - and create the opportunity to cover the topic more thoroughly and even include even more images of pubic hair styling than exists now. I'm 100% sure that more information exists 'out there' to support a new article. In this case, discussing the various styles, techniques, the 'whys', the 'who' would provide even more information for a reader than we have now. Didn't we do the same with Nipple piercing? It has its own article that is separate from the anatomical article Nipple, with the former having absolutely no need to adhere to MEDRS. I have 'solved' many discussions, sometimes over the course of years by generating an article from the original article and have always at least doubled the references supporting the new article that did not cover the topic before. To include more references for this section on 'styles' would give a section undue weight while separate of an anatomical structure page each section the new article on styles could even have a section for each style! I'll bet we missed some of styles that are out now. A section discussing the practice throughout the world would be fasinating. I am fond of creating new articles and I am good at it. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 15:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Barbara (WVS), I mentioned the article's talk page and Grayfell because the article's talk page is the main place you should be stating your concerns about the number of images in that article. Unless, of course, you expect this WikiProject to enforce a "limited number of images" rule on the article and similar articles and believe that those directly involved with the article should have no say. Grayfell is just one watcher of the article. Not all watchers are actively involved in editing whatever article they are watching, obviously. Again, I watch that article and am not heavily involved with it. Many watchers of an article do know what is best for an article since they are likely to be more familiar with the literature and/or past disputes, including what matters have consensus. Many watchers of articles are open to feedback and have indeed sought feedback on article matters. Not everyone who adds content does so in good faith. Otherwise, we wouldn't have so many problematic editors. But many of us who do add content in good faith are aware that some article watchers probably know better than we do and that it is likely best to consult the talk page first. We know that some matters have already been thoroughly worked out with a number of editors and don't automatically think that our edits are going to be improvements. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, such as the ones you made above, can be valid or invalid. If someone would take the time to significantly develop the Facial hair article, we would likely see more facial hair images there. It may also be that eyebrow styling is not as popular as pubic hair styling, even though women in particular pay close attention to the shape of their eyebrows (meaning keeping them trimmed and crafted in a certain way). As for a Pubic hair modification article, why is your solution to create a separate article? How is it needed at all? I know that you are fond of creating articles, but, per WP:No page, WP:Spinout and WP:No split, separate articles should only be created when needed, not simply to break off unwanted content. The Pubic hair article is not big and we have the Bikini waxing article that is specifically for waxing pubic chair. You creating a Pubic hair modification article is not going to stop those who may want to retain the images that you want removed from retaining the images. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 18:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
- To compare pubic hair with eyebrow hair - is then appropriate for consistency's sake to encourage the same treatment of other body hair? There probably even more ways to shave one's eyebrows, stylistically design your eyebrows, pierce your eyebrows, bleach your eyebrows, color your eyebrows, pluck your eyebrows, eyebrows in art, genetically different eyebrows and so on. Why pubic hair? I believe pubic hair is written, and illustrated inconsistently compared to other body parts. That's okay, I'm not hanging my hat on this. To bring in an editor who 'watches' or wrote the article to begin with, especially if we already know what their view on this might be, is not completely valid since all editors like to think that how they wrote and edited article is reasonable, fair, fine and not in need of review. Those of us who add content also do so in good faith. I don't add content that isn't supported and neither does Grayfell, I am sure of it. Adding content is done in good faith - I believe this. I am suggesting that female pubic hair is over-represented in the article. I'm will to create an article on pubic hair modification...
- The ping didn't work (doesn't work with old usernames), and I usually don't focus on the Pubic hair article (although I watch it), but I'll go ahead and comment: Yes, the article currently has more images of female pubic hair, but these images are in the Removal and Styling sections. The literature clearly shows that it's mainly women who worry about removing and styling pubic hair. Barbara (WVS) should consult the article's talk page about removing some of the images. Grayfell, who watches the article, would be willing to listen to her concerns. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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- You can create a Pubic hair modification article, obviously, but a look at the literature shows that most of the styling concerning pubic hair is already covered by the topic of bikini waxing, which, again, already has a Wikipedia article. The "landing strip" and other styles can be done without waxing, but they are still topics that are already covered on Wikipedia. And we also already have the Male waxing article (which isn't big). So unless you plan to be largely redundant to, or significantly reduce, the Bikini waxing article (which also isn't big), and merge the Male waxing article, we will have another article we don't need. All that I am stating is that you need to look beyond creating a separate article as a solution or as something to add to your article count. Looking beyond is what WP:No page, WP:Spinout and WP:No split advises. In this particular case, a good option would be for you to reduce the "Removal" and "Styling" sections in the Pubic hair article; this is per WP:Summary style. While most of the "Removal" material might need to be retained, the "Styling" section can be significantly reduced and include a "Main article" link at the top to point readers to the Bikini waxing and Male waxing articles for further detail. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- This post is no longer a quick survey. The main question was whether or not it needs to contain so many images of people without pubic hair to illustrate the anatomical structure of pubic. That's all. I probably have had a number of trips down memory lane to last me a lifetime and these flashbacks don't answer the question posed in the survey. If, my editing history is part of the response to a question, then I probably won't bother to ask for input and instead comply with all policies that apply and go on with adding content. We are wasting a lot time going over my editing history to answer a simple question. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ? ? 14:12, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- You can create a Pubic hair modification article, obviously, but a look at the literature shows that most of the styling concerning pubic hair is already covered by the topic of bikini waxing, which, again, already has a Wikipedia article. The "landing strip" and other styles can be done without waxing, but they are still topics that are already covered on Wikipedia. And we also already have the Male waxing article (which isn't big). So unless you plan to be largely redundant to, or significantly reduce, the Bikini waxing article (which also isn't big), and merge the Male waxing article, we will have another article we don't need. All that I am stating is that you need to look beyond creating a separate article as a solution or as something to add to your article count. Looking beyond is what WP:No page, WP:Spinout and WP:No split advises. In this particular case, a good option would be for you to reduce the "Removal" and "Styling" sections in the Pubic hair article; this is per WP:Summary style. While most of the "Removal" material might need to be retained, the "Styling" section can be significantly reduced and include a "Main article" link at the top to point readers to the Bikini waxing and Male waxing articles for further detail. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Barbara (WVS), you asked a question. I answered it. I stayed on topic. You then suggested creating a separate article. I explained why I felt that this was not a good solution and noted that I have tried to tell you why immediately jumping to creating a separate article often is not a good idea/should usually not be one's first course of action. I am well-aware that I am wasting my time going over these very valid points with you. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Anatomy
Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.-- Rod talk 13:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Rodw fantastic. Had a look. Unfortunately I am unable to log into the OAuth tool for some strange reason.--Tom (LT) (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- I don't know why the OAuth tool is not working for you. It might be worth asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation. At least it highlights the articles relevant to this project which have an issues & you might be able to help with some of them without the tool.-- Rod talk 07:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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Urination pages
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Urination pages. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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